Hi Viet_Tran,
you are right of course, but many of the 16 million Germans are either Turks who have a long-standing relationship with Germany. I know Turks who have been here 40 or 50 years and whose children and grand-children were born and brought up here and speak German as a native language and Turkish as their second language - or they are ethnic Germans kicked out of Russia or Poland or the Czech Republic after the Second World War. There is a sprinkling of other nationalities. In Hamburg alone we have over 180 different nationalities. I certainly did not say the life here is not good. I live in Hamburg by choice because it is a great city with lovely people who have their own special character (they are not "typically" German but they are typical of North Germany). My partner is a north German girl whose ancestors were Cheruskers, one of the tribes who settled Germany in pre-Roman times. The Germans are not a homogeneous people but consist of many tribes (Germanii, Alemanii, Suevs etc.) who for centuries developed separately. Bismarck fashioned modern Germany around 1870 and Hochdeutsch or high German then became the official language. I did not say that the original poster could not learn German. I simply said that he would find it much harder than he seemed to think and that the level of proficiency required to carry out advanced studies leading to a degree-level qualification would be much more than basic. Yes it is possible to live in Germany and get by with a vocabulary of some 500 words exactly as one can in England or the USA. That does not mean you can enter fully into the social and cultural life of a country with such a limited vocabulary, and we have problems here for example with Muslim women who have no knowledge of German and live completely in the shadow of their husbands who provide their only avenue of contact to the outside world. But that is another story.
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From: Viet Tran
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 3:33 PM
Subject: Required Details for Masters in SAP in Germany
Dear monzonc :
Dear Ramesh (Senior Systems Engineer):
Dear Roy B (SAP Financials Expert):
The most recent remarks or pieces of information about the difficulty of German language etc. make the true picture hanging in un-balance.
It is not said that German language is the easiest one to learn up to a proficiency level. But here is a question to ask to shed light on the topic:
Germany's population is of about 81 (eighty-one) millions people. 16 (sixteen) millions of them are first or second generation of immigrants. These facts are based on the official information of the German Government via "Statistisches Bundesamt". With other word: Almost one out of five people who live in Germany is not German from birth and therefore must have come from somewhere else.
The question to ask is then: If the German language is (impossible) to learn and/or to master and a new life in Germany is not that good and so desirable Why then Germany is able to attract 16 millions people to start a new life in its territory? And 16 millions stay.
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