Job for Consultant: Re: [sap-career] In-house training for newly recruited FICO consultants

mardi 13 septembre 2011

Re: [sap-career] In-house training for newly recruited FICO consultants

Posted by R. N. Wilhite (Senior Project Manager)
on Sep 13 at 12:45 PM

<<<but I am inclined to think they do on-the-job training, where their
clients pay for it.>>>
Roy,

It seems very clear to me, from having worked along side them, that at least
some of the Big consulting firms have practiced this. More over, many
times, I have had people billed as Mid or senior consultants asking me
questions that I'd have been embarrassed to ask as a 2 year man...

Learning on your own is commendable as you say. However, it is not
reasonable to attempt to learn on your own without a real subset of base
knowledge. Being able to spell SAP does not qualify as a real subset.

Often, I have seen consulting firms pair juniors with seniors. When they
are at the same site, this has worked very well. It's not so good if they
are only available via phone or email...

As you implied, no one knows everything. In fact, I have never met anyone
who knew more than, say, 1/10 (more likely, probably 1/100) of SAP. Without
100% knowledge of SAP, no one can be completely independent of the rest of
the world. If you aren't being challenged, then you are only working on
problems that I would give to my juniors for practice... So, everyone
should expect to have to research, until they leave SAP...

Neal

---------------Original Message---------------
From: Roy Brookes
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 7:56 AM
Subject: In-house training for newly recruited FICO consultants

Hi Kate,

It would be nice to think that consulting companies did some in-house
training but I am inclined to think they do on-the-job training, where
their clients pay for it. I have no evidence of this. It is just a
feeling I have from personal observation, having worked alongside
some of these people. On the job training is good training but the
problem is the morality of doing it at someone else's expense, and I
could well understand clients being ruffled by it.

Having said that, much of my own self-learning has been on the job,
so I suppose I should not? complain too much. However I have always
tried to give value for money and have learned in the process of
trying to make something work. Even now I sometimes have to research
a solution while working which could be termed learning on the job.
For example this week I am confronted with a change in the VAT law of
Poland and have to researchb it so that I can propose modifications to
a custom user exit which currently does not work as it should. Is that
classed as learning on the job?

Rgds, Roy

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Posted by Kate_ [2]
on Sep 13 at 7:26 AM

Hi All,

Type have asked back on an another thread, and I have found it
interesting enough to open a new one.

So here it goes: Do consulting companies usually give training to new
hires before letting them work face-to-face with customers?

If I was a client I would expect a consultancy firm to give some
training to their freshers before billing me for hundreds of
euros/day for them, would I not?

On the other hand if I was offered a job as (junior) SAP consultant
tomorrow, and there was no training I would turn it down straight
away (at least I think now).

Hm? What do you think?

Kate_

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